As many of you know online Gor is a rather murky place at best. Normally this just serves to annoy me to a slight degree, long ago having got over the disappointment when I had come to that realization. But, today, I was surprised to see that online Gor had sunk to yet another new low. I actually thought it couldn't get any lower. Well, live and learn.
Today I got to see a freeman, by the name of Agrit, make a bald face lie regarding Phelan curing ost venom, despite the fact that a scroll had been provided making it clear that he had done so. This action was supported by using only part of the scroll provided, of course omitting the section that made the situation clear, and then only evaluated that which he cherry picked. This allowed him to make an evaluation out of context, which enabled him to prevent a revised version of the event to support his conclusion
I will present, again, part of the scroll posted. I, however, will not "forget" to include that which gave the situation context.
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alli-cat-CoF-ys reaches out and and carefully and slowly starts to slide the jeweled straight pin into danicas white silks her hands trembling badly as she tries not to hurt the girl
danica-Phelan-CoF-ws looking down at the lovely pin, tears spill over and gently caress the pale skin of her cheeks. looking back to her sister, she hops off her Master's lap and takes her in a tight embrace then kisses her cheek whispering
danica-Phelan-CoF-ws : thank you sister, it means more to me than you can imagine. you are such a wonderful and beautiful sister, thank you, thank you so much
alli-cat-CoF-ys takes another deep breath to steady nerves and tries to quickly get the jeweled pin thats tipped through her hand trebles and it slips and scratches danica just barely but makes it through the fabric
danica-Phelan-CoF-ws oops, got ahead of myself
danica-Phelan-CoF-ws ahem - please see my response above *giggles*
Phelan-CoF-Phy-Adm reaches into his pocket pulling out several ring that are used for piercing other parts of the body and looks to the three girls
Phelan-CoF-Phy-Adm let me see he thinks as he looks them over
ÅŸÄđįqÅ©Ä~ÄŒôF~Ŗřş peeks to Master
alli-cat-CoF-ys blinks as she suddenly realizes that was the wrong pin that that one was tipped in ost poison she turns pale and backs away slowly
danica-Phelan-CoF-ws : hmmm, not sure what to do about ost poison
danica-Phelan-CoF-ws : any advice?
Phelan-CoF-Phy-Adm reahes into his bag pulling out the salve of the PKs
Phelan-CoF-Phy-Adm then an antidote he has been working on
alli-cat-CoF-ys : ugh let see um right theres gots to be a antidote around here somewhere
ÅŸÄđįqÅ©Ä~ÄŒôF~Ŗřş watches Master
Phelan-CoF-Phy-Adm reaches down gently appling the antidote
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To ensure crystal clarity, I will repost the post that establishes the context:
alli-cat-CoF-ys blinks as she suddenly realizes that was the wrong pin that that one was tipped in ost poison she turns pale and backs away slowly
That that pin was tipped in ost venom is beyond dispute. There was no subsequent post that said anything to the contrary. Phelan provided a cure regardless. It is irrelevant that Phelan himself didn't say anything about ost venom. That it was ost venom had already been established. With ost venom a scratch is enough.
I know, Agrit, that you wish this issue would go away. Making outright lies about it, that can be so easily shown to be such, is not going to accomplish that. You simply managed to accomplish diminishing your own character by the attempt.
Perhaps you can reestablish some by removing your false claim and admitting the error of it.
I wish you all well.
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I'm just a pirate, a Free man and dishonest as hell, but I do try to follow the books, albeit My interpretations of what a passage means does not always agree with what others interpretation of it means. I freely admit My opinions are not widely accepted but they do run as close as possible to what I believe the books are expressing. I do not try to get My own way by "cheating the books".
Once upon a time there was a warriors guild in Gor for this community back when it was based mostly in MSN/GCN. One of the functions of that group was to, by way of a three tier system, determine who was, and wasn't qualified to be called on as judge for certain conflicts. Only first tier and second tier judges could judge a death match, third tier judges could only judge honor matches, or 777 attempts.
The point is the game needs what it needs sometimes.
Im not saying scrap the caste system, all I'm saying is I don't think it is right to say to an FW who wishes to be a Physician that She cannot roleplay one simply because noone agreed to train Her. I think if She can study the known information on Gorean Medicine and can roleplay it successfully then She should be allowed to try without the need for " official and approved training" by some self professed Pooba.
You may not think it right, but such is the system that was put in place. I imagine it required a great deal of cooperation by the many homes of that time to do so. Perhaps the cooperation of the few homes that remain could be manged to replace it with a superior system.
Cooperation among the Homes ? on Buzzen ?.......Are You smoking kanda leaves?
It is precisely that line of thinking that served to reduce the standards of what passes for gor in this community, Grym. I remember what it was like before the physicians guild. And it sucked. One physician might tell you a wound is fatal, while another tells you it's just a fleshwound, and you'll be fine!. One says it needs to be cauterized, the other says just wrap it up in a cloth, the bleeding with stop on it's own! Believe me when I say the guild has done much more good than bad in our gor
That I do not disagree with at all.....My point is we don't have Phys in RP and I see no reason we shouldnt allow some people to take up the roles, they cannot possibly do any worse than what Ive seen so far. Even an unlearned practioner is better than none at all.
You would think that, until someone ends up dead because of a physician who says that a short sword severed the entire right side(from spine to ribs) of a man's torso from a frontal thrust. Now whether someone would die from a thrust to the torso with a short sword isn't really the point, You think it can't get worse, and maybe in this isolated case it can't, but big picture, and in the overall consistency of the caste, things can go to hell in a handbasket faster than you can say "yo MTV raps".
That, Grym, was exactly my point. There isn't the level of coopration required in Buzzen Gor to select the contents of a sandwhich, nevermind design a replacement for the system in place. If the system is to retain the consitency that is has somebody has to be in place ensure it. Perhaps, the place to start is to determine why there are no Phyicians in role-play. Is there a lack of interest... or is there some sort of blockage preventing their arrival. If the latter, perhaps it needs clearing.
I will also add in the regards to the "Physicians we have not being in r/p" part of the discussion. In fact there were a few instances of One being in IM, and asked, BEGGED, to come into r/p to deal with injuries. He then asked what the injuries were specifically, when told said,, naw, you deal with it and just send Me the scrolls (said to a SLAVE no less). Once the scrolls were recieved, and read over, they were not only approved of, but in fact complimented by said Physician.
The point is, the aftermath of the poisoning and the handing out of punishments withing 48 hours of the incident, ost poison was stated as the cause of the injury, It was CLEARLY stated by phelan. danica was told HOW to react to it during the initial poisoning BY HIM. The scroll was posted, because alli was TOLD to post it. And in the end, contrary to what Cos says, it proves the facts. And proves, once more, WHO the liars and manipulators are in all this.
Warren, tY for taking a stand.
As it turned out the posting of the scroll by your command proved to be unexpectedly illuminating to me in a manner I did not expect. Old news can indeed provide new information.
Yes it can. I knew the scroll was out there and I knew where. I asked it be held until it was time, that it was pointless to hold any longer. And then I told her to post it. she had it from the day it happened. Old news is generally, the truest news. And I thank You, for reading it all, and for not seeing the twist and lie presented by others.
This incident brings another question to mind and I mean no offense to anyone beforehand. Did save scrolls of actually dipping the pin in the poison or did she simply say opppps I did this without role-playing out. If that is the case then a person disguised as a baker could come along and serve tainted bread and wipe out a city on a whim. The person or persons being targeted should at least get a chance to attempt to save their character which is what the physician tried to do.
I think this whole scenario was flawed from the beginning, but raises a lot of questions about role play standards.
People here have enough bad ideas, Zahrah. Don't give them anymore.
Do you understand my point though???
Sure.
I don't know why a slave would have access to ost poison or anything like that. Of course, in some places slaves are probably council members and help make decisions for the cities of which they belong.
Say that isn't so Thierry.