It boils down to some very, very simple facts. Much like Warren Stated, certain parts were, as usual where Cos is concerned, omitted when Agrit of course, made His "decision on the validity of the scrolls". This is commonplace where the members of Cos are concerned, much like where phelan is concerned. I call it convenient, and selective, amnesia.
The facts are this. A slave, scratched another slave with a pin dipped in ost poison. The ost poison itself was clearly stated as being such. END OF DISCUSSION. And nowhere in any of the books as yet, is there ANY cure for this. not with a suction bulb, or salve of the PKs. Nor is it remotly valid that there was any antidote that was being worked on. That was convenient, and is an excuse for them, to excuse what the physician did.
As for questioning why alli posted the scroll. That is really easy to explain. she was TOLD to, and did strictly as she was told. PERIOD. YOU do not have the say in what she,, MY slave, does or does not do. I told her to do it, she did. she also faced a severe punishment at the time of the poisoning (not that it matters now because she is not a part of that home, and is owned). Had that scroll come from anyone, especially Myself it would have been called a fake. However it is very real. Two of the slaves involved are still active in Gor now. The other, to My knowledge is long gone.
Once again, Agrit, and/or Manon, have decided that THEY and only they, have the final say on what is valid, and what is not, in all of Gor. That none of the rest of Us have enough sense to see the scrolls of incidents, and make a judgement of our own. That in the end only THEY can determine who and what is right in all of the Homes, in all of Gor. Well they do not run MY Home. Nor do they run MY slaves. They run Cos, and only Cos. Not Ven'dara, not HSH, not Lydius nor anywhere else. It is past time that both realised this, and were clearly shown that Gor stands for itself. Each Home, each City, each Hold, run by its OWN Owners and council.
HSH has not recognized phelan as a physician for a VERY long time. To each their own but I believe that he has shown his own flaws, and that it is sufficient enough to not be trusted. HSH also has a Healer. One who did test with Someone. Not claimed it out of spite. And has proved more than once, more than 10 times, They know what to do in most any situation, including having a Friend die, because the injuries were simply too severe. Not biased to keep them around. But clinical, honest and right.
EVERYTHING that was "claimed" in the months before now by members of Cos, specifically against Me, is completly invalid. It came from lies and twists on the plain and simple truth. Because the TRUTH did not fit what they wanted to say. So it got turned, and twisted, and changed. to suit THEM. Funny how that happens so often. Regardless, in the end, it is over.
I am sure, somehow, they will find yet another "excuse' and twist on things in order to try and make the original claim valid. In order to silence Me and get rid of Me. Not going to happen. I will continue to stay strong. And I will continue to fight. And at least I can tell the truth. If I have done wrong, I admit it. I face the person I wronged, and I take the consequences. I, unlike others, have never made a claim at perfection. I am human. I make mistakes but I always own up to them.
To EVERYONE who has stood back, read through everything presented, and seen where the real screw ups and lies were, thank Y/you. Each of Y/you are at least decent enough to see it ALL and make your own decisions. Not accept the falsehoods and omissions in things by others, and believe them like gospel.
To anyone who cannot be bothered to look at the truth, I am sorry for Y/you. Because it makes you so much less, and lessens your value in this realm.
To those of Cos,, give it up already, We are all tired of your holier than thou crap, And are not taking it anymore. And I do not recommend ever trying to make a claim that I am ANYONE's slave again. Because it simply is untrue. You want to TRY and get Me? Come for Me yourselves! Hiring it out is pathetic. As you can see, NOBODY fell for that bait. Do it yourself, or drop it.
To My Home. ALL of You. Thank You all for supporting Me through all of this, For standing up for Me, and for staying quiet through the lies. Even though I KNOW how many wanted to go hunting!!! We sat back, waited it out and as the saying goes, "the truth shall set you free". Once again, it has. I appreciate the love, forever.
Finally (and this one shocks even Me) to Grym. NEVER did You, of all people, ever have to see through the bull, and support Me in My claim of honesty. You did. I guess because You have seen me stand up and admit My wrongs, several times. You stunned Me by standing up for alli and for Me. You have shown Yourself to be a decent, and true, Man. Thank You.
I am, and will REMAIN
The Lady Asya, of course.
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I agree with Zahrahs' question of "did the slaves roleplay dipping the pin in ost poison?" it therefore logically follows " Did the Physician roleplay actively working on a cure for ost poison?"....
Are you people still on about this? For fucking hells sake, get over it, get on with life and stop being a bunch of bitches.
To elaborate: Asya, Manon and Agrit. Not a positive thing will come of this, so why even keep it up? Why even keep talking about it? You sound like a bunch of kids arguing over who's toys are in the sandbox. Ignore each other, and get on with life. Is it really worth all the stress? Or is this an actual role play story line that you three are just dragging out wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too far?
" including having a Friend die, because the injuries were simply too severe. Not biased to keep them around. But clinical, honest and right "....True, I was there... We all know Asya was once a slave now back to My question " To whom should we entrust our health care, an honest (former) slave or a manipulative Free man.?" IF it had been any slave besides one of phelans fur bunnies would the "cure" have been available ? I'm sure it would not have.
Im not saying that "curing" the poison is valid. Asya made a good point. What I am actually trying to say s "Settle this shit yourselves, nobody really gives a shit, because both sides are just going to say "He/She's wrong and I'm right", and it's just making us, as a population, look like idiots. Just chill, and do this shit in private. Ever notice that Lydians don't post here -much- regarding bullshit? We settle our business on our own terms, not public opinion.
Actually I think it has some validity in the here and now as far as what is accepted role play and what is not. We all put a lot of effort into our characters and do not wish to see them killed in a matter of seconds. I don't see arguing Bart, I see a discussion. The only brash comment thus far is yours.
Really, Zahrah? Read back a bit. And yes, my comment is brash, mostly because it's tiring to see that -this- is what Gor has been reduced to.
No one is ever going to accept just anything that happens in RP... The very ugly blunt truth is this all revolves around ego, pride and drama...There's no solution to any of this, that is going to take far too much cooperation and compromise. It's like Judas once asked " Do we just have ONE Home and call it GOR and agree on standards to which we all hold each other accountable?" YES in theory that's the solution. In reality will that happen? NO, it requires the sacrifice of self interests.
I agree on every point, Grym. To add to it, though, it' not so much the self interests, as it is the ability to run your home as you deem fit. We all don't get along. Right? Right. We all don't see eye to eye, right? Right. We all don't have the same moral compass, right? I think you know what I mean now. The short version, is simple.... We all have our way of doing things, but at the end of the day, we are all fanatical about this as well, about going by the books (to an extent) (1/2)
(2/2) For example, Lydius. We have our problems. We have our disagreements. But Lydius is not JUST a chat room to role play Gor. I pretty much hand picked every single person there, Grym, including you at one point, for one simple reason. We are friends. We see eye to eye more often than not. But more importantly, we are FAMILY. This little slice of cyber space is just that, my extended family. If you wear Lydius tags on your profile, you are part of a family. That's what this used to be about.
I made comments because I had questions to learn and to hopefully bring about some intelligent discussion . Really Bart what did your comment do?
The future of the Caste is vitally important to Goreans. The welfare of the Caste even takes priority over the ambitions and desires of specific individuals. The welfare of a larger number of individuals is more important than the welfare of a smaller number of individuals. Caste members often will subsume their own individual wants for the greater good of the Caste. Goreans truly care about the future of their Caste and they do not want to do anything that might jeopardize it. (1/2)
Caste is crucially important to Goreans in ways that those of Earth cannot easily comprehend. The importance of the Caste to Goreans cannot be underestimated.......May I suggest here we all substitute the word "Gor" for the word "Caste" ...? or is that blasphemous heresy ?.....(2/2)
Honestly, I feel that if everyone took an oath to a caste, trained for it, grew into it and played the part 90% of the time, it would make things the way they used to be. I swore as a Warrior YEARS ago, and it was REQUIRED that I trained for it, and did not get my "W" until the powers that be were satisfied. That's actually what is missing right now, structured role play. I am NOT saying that we have a central council, but, "The laws of a city extend no further than it's walls". Get me?
Im all for having a central council but how do we make that fairly representational for all five high castes. Personally I think it would take 3 members of each high caste to form that council, 15 Goreans from all around Buzzen so that each Caste has 3 "Judges" so that clear decisions can be made with a clear opinion offered by each Caste as a collective.
They need not all be from the same Home, Gor is too far spread out for that but I do think that members of the same Caste should definitely come from different Homes. For example Lydius might have a Warrior, a Physician and a Scribe all on the Council, but not two Scribes.....well I think we can dispense with Initiates, no one likes them and no one roleplays them...so let's call it 4 Castes for the sake of clarity to form a 12 person Council.
This council idea was tossed around in GCN and flamed out spectacularly each time. Getting people to agree on simple RP rules was a chore.
to answer the Mistress Scribes question yes I rp'd out dipping the pin in ost poison days prior. in fact I had it soaking in it. I just didn't rp tipping it that day.
But that's the thing. A central council was formed back in the day for several caste, and it was, at best, a disaster most of the time. Let Admins decide who has completed the tasks and requirements for the citizens of their own homes. That's Gor, my friend. Now, on the flip side, a central council can be good for ONE thing. The one thing I have actually dreamed of for months now, and that is bringing people together. Period. If it works, I am all for it.
I agree it is a daunting undertaking....but do we give up, or continue to fight for what we strongly believe in?